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The rejection bit for expunge petitions has now been added.

- Expunge petitions that are voted below -100 will now enter a "Rejecting" state, where after 15 minutes they will become "Rejected". Rejected petitions have the same effect as Revoked petitions, except that they skip the whole appeal step. Note that this only applies to expunge petitions, not appeals, which are left to expire as before.

- Voting against a petition that become Rejected now grant +1 toplist point, while submitting a petition that becomes Rejected has a penalty of -25 points. Voting for a petition that becomes Rejected has no effect.

- Petitions (expunges + appeals) that are in the "Activating" or "Rejecting" countdown state can no longer be unilaterally cancelled by the petition creator.

Note that the reason only expunges and not appeals can be rejected is largely a technical limitation due to a design decision, where for state and presentation complexity reasons you can only have one Appeal per Expunge at a time - in other words, if it were Rejected, it would be deleted from the petition and could immediately be re-Appealed. There are no plans to change this further, as appeals (and rejected appeals) are expected to be much rarer than expunges (and rejected expunges).

I'm aware that granting toplist points for downvoting expunges in this situation creates a (weak) incentive to just randomly downvote all expunges, as it does not have a (system-applied) penalty if the downvote is bad. However, if anyone actually were to do this, they should be reported and will be banned for it.

PS: Older expunges that are already at -100 or less will not be recalculated and rejected until they are voted on once more.

The rejection bit for expunge petitions has now been added.

Great, thanks for the changes. One small bug on the tracker: rejected expunges seem to be hanging around in the "Pending All" and "Pending Expunge" views after they are rejected.

Great, thanks for the changes. One small bug on the tracker: rejected expunges seem to be hanging around in the "Pending All" and "Pending Expunge" views after they are rejected.

Thanks, should be fixed now.

i have never really liked this reddit moderation method. often the voting seems to be done by few people who have way more mod power than most people.. the names of some very active uploaders arent uncommon on that part of the site either. do they even check what they moderate or do they just trust the first voter who could have had a bookmark to some now broken gallery or maybe they remembered seeing it years ago.
things breaking on big and old sites is nothing uncommon so everything should be checked carefully before anything is done

broken gallery

The salt level is over 9000.

the names of some very active uploaders arent uncommon on that part of the site either.

So people who are active on the site are more involved with the site stuff. What's wrong with it?

do they even check what they moderate

Can't say for the other expungers, but I do.

things breaking on big and old sites is nothing uncommon so everything should be checked carefully before anything is done

And you are free to report any bug(s) with the new expunge system over here.

This post has been edited by PrincessKaguya: Oct 22 2020, 17:39

often the voting seems to be done by few people who have way more mod power than most people

These are the few staff members and veterans (relative to the total number of registered users) who actually want to help. High mod powers are not randomly awarded and these people automatically accumulated theirs simply due to years of work. They know what they are doing, so they are not the ones you should be worried about. The fact that there seem to be few people doing it means most people simply do not care about site maintenance, and not that we have a bad system.

do they even check what they moderate or do they just trust the first voter

I look at everything I vote to expunge.

Sometimes I make a bad call, but there are other users who inform me when I have.

There is also a thread for de expunging in case something gets through.

However I'm pretty sure the new expunge system has made that obsolete. (I'm liking the new system btw)

i have never really liked this reddit moderation method.

What's the other option?

often the voting seems to be done by few people who have way more mod power than most people..

Mod power is earned by contributing. Those that contribute the most are likely to have more mod power. It's simple.

the names of some very active uploaders arent uncommon on that part of the site either.

Active uploaders are more likely to be active on the other parts of the site as well.

do they even check what they moderate or do they just trust the first voter

Many people do check. This new system actually discourages blind voting, so I'm not sure what you're unhappy about.

who could have had a bookmark to some now broken gallery or maybe they remembered seeing it years ago.

You are free to use this tool to check links that are not visible to you.
[reasoningtheory.net] https://reasoningtheory.net/galleryinfo

It uses the API that anybody is free to access.

However, all links that have been linked to your expunged galleries so far are visible to me.

things breaking on big and old sites is nothing uncommon so everything should be checked carefully before anything is done

You're free to report what's "breaking," but I have not experienced it myself. The development for this site is actually rigid in comparison to "new" sites that constantly add new, faulty features.

@10b Just wanna bump this again since the issue still persists, running Chromium 87. May have got missed since there was a similar UI issue in the post below it. Thanks

(referring to the text overlapping the expunge reason box, not the footer which seems to be fixed)

Just a minor thing, some display issues:
[files.catbox.moe] https://files.catbox.moe/ob8ira.PNG

Text overlapping with the form and the border overlapping with the footer links

This post has been edited by nasu_sensei: Oct 22 2020, 23:13

It's intended, but I might change it so it can only be done until it enters the activating phase.

Everyone's vote stands on their own - if a user upvotes a petition, that is for a reason.
Giving the petition starter the power to arbitrarily wipe everyone else's upvotes will just lead to correct petitons being lost. Please change that.

@10b Just wanna bump this again since the issue still persists, running Chromium 87. May have got missed since there was a similar UI issue in the post below it. Thanks

(referring to the text overlapping the expunge reason box, not the footer which seems to be fixed)

Ah, yeah, I missed that one. Should be fixed now.

Everyone's vote stands on their own - if a user upvotes a petition, that is for a reason.
Giving the petition starter the power to arbitrarily wipe everyone else's upvotes will just lead to correct petitons being lost. Please change that.

This stems from the part of the design that is fundamentally different from the old system, where you vote on petitions instead of having fully independent votes. Since the petition creator cannot withdraw their vote, everyone's votes actually do not stand on their own. I might certainly revise the conditions under which a cancellation is permitted if it ends up being a problem, but I'm not going to remove the general ability to do so. (Also it's not arbitrarily, if the petition has reached +/- 100 it cannot be cancelled anymore.)

for me, it feels kinda weird that we have to give a reason in the free text field, when the expunge type is 'duplicate' and a link to the conflicting gallery has been provided. But that's just a minor nuisance.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Oct 23 2020, 19:53

for me, it feels kinda weird that we have to give a reason in the free text field, when the expunge type is 'duplicate' and a link to the conflicting gallery has been provided. But that's just a minor nuisance.

The original intention was in fact to not require a comment for duplicate and replace, but for whatever reason that didn't make it into the actual logic. Probably going to fix that.

I don't know if it will be useful or not (I'm sure it will for me) but is it possible to make the link at Expunge Reason clickable? So, I don't need to copy and paste when checking the galleries.

I don't know if it will be useful or not (I'm sure it will for me) but is it possible to make the link at Expunge Reason clickable? So, I don't need to copy and paste when checking the galleries.

The link in "Conflict Gallery" is already clickable, right above the initial expunge reason. Anyone including links in the additional message are probably duplicated since they are already required for dupes and replace petitions.

The link in "Conflict Gallery" is already clickable, right above the initial expunge reason. Anyone including links in the additional message are probably duplicated since they are already required for dupes and replace petitions.

I haven't bothered testing, but additional links may be needed in the description if multiple galleries need to be linked, such as for compilations.

I haven't bothered testing, but additional links may be needed in the description if multiple galleries need to be linked, such as for compilations.

Yeah I agree in this case it would be handy to hyperlink gallery links, especially on the tracker. Although, since links were not hyperlinked in the old system I'd imagine there was probably a reason for that.

Although, since links were not hyperlinked in the old system I'd imagine there was probably a reason for that.

I think that they were. Not sure if it's different between browsers or something.

I think that they were. Not sure if it's different between browsers or something.

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Ah right. I had assumed it was one of my userscripts hyperlinking the tracker this whole time, I could be wrong about the old behavior then. If that's the case, I wouldn't mind seeing gallery linked being hyperlinked again.

I don't know if it will be useful or not (I'm sure it will for me) but is it possible to make the link at Expunge Reason clickable? So, I don't need to copy and paste when checking the galleries.

Sure, not a problem.