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If that's the case, don't even bother making the system.
It will not be affordable and basically be pointless.

There are very few peerlesses that are actually worth that much by default, so the system would be useless for basically anything else.
Which goes literally against the point of making a new mechanic.
It just won't be used.
Also again I will repeat, making Peerlesses upgradeable is a terrible idea.
A peerless is a, like the name says, flawless equipment.
It's already perfect. It's already maxed.
Making it upgradeable doesn't make any sense.
And at that point would make upgrading legendaries to peerlesses even more pointless.
Why bother spending HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of credits to cap a legendary when the base peerless is the same and can be upgraded further?

The whole "hundreds of million credits" range and the upgradeability of peerlesses to "uber peerlesses" is definitely in need of a very radical revision.

For the upgrading system of Legendary into Peerless i think is worth it, sure it will be useful only for the top end equipment but because having a Peerless of the perfect type is really hard being able to increase the quality of any legendary of the same type will be really good (like, i have a "Legendary Charged Cotton Cap of the Heaven-sent", making it Peerless will make all the difference).

I also hope the price is set differently for equipment type, if upgrading a Cloth, with perfec Peerless worth undred of millions, will cos the same for Leather and Heavy it will be really pointless.

For the Peerless upgrade i'm absolutely with you, no point in doing it.
If something extra will be done for Peerless it will be far more interesting to let them have an extra potency compared to Legendary when IWing or to have an higher cap in the equipment upgrade compared to legendary (+25/50 extra levels compared to the 50-100 of the actual ones).

If that's the case, don't even bother making the system.
It will not be affordable and basically be pointless.

There are very few peerlesses that are actually worth that much by default, so the system would be useless for basically anything else.
Which goes literally against the point of making a new mechanic.
It just won't be used.
Also again I will repeat, making Peerlesses upgradeable is a terrible idea.
A peerless is a, like the name says, flawless equipment.
It's already perfect. It's already maxed.
Making it upgradeable doesn't make any sense.
And at that point would make upgrading legendaries to peerlesses even more pointless.
Why bother spending HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of credits to cap a legendary when the base peerless is the same and can be upgraded further?

The whole "hundreds of million credits" range and the upgradeability of peerlesses to "uber peerlesses" is definitely in need of a very radical revision.

The idea is that some people are so high up, they can't do much to improve their gear anymore and have nothing to do.
The change attempts to do those things:

-Put less value on base stats of legendaries (aka low adb power of slaughter gets more value), but don't make it completely whatever either (aka high base stats would need less cores)
-Make use out of trash. Given that 99% of legendaries are trash JUST because of the suffix/prefix, this will clean up and remove a lot of excessive equip. Ideally changes will come to at least partially amend this problem, but there's always going to be a meta.
-Give something to do to the super rich and generally people who have nothing to do anymore.

For the upgrading system of Legendary into Peerless i think is worth it, sure it will be useful only for the top end equipment but because having a Peerless of the perfect type is really hard being able to increase the quality of any legendary of the same type will be really good (like, i have a "Legendary Charged Cotton Cap of the Heaven-sent", making it Peerless will make all the difference).

I also hope the price is set differently for equipment type, if upgrading a Cloth, with perfec Peerless worth undred of millions, will cos the same for Leather and Heavy it will be really pointless.

For the Peerless upgrade i'm absolutely with you, no point in doing it.
If something extra will be done for Peerless it will be far more interesting to let them have an extra potency compared to Legendary when IWing or to have an higher cap in the equipment upgrade compared to legendary (+25/50 extra levels compared to the 50-100 of the actual ones).

I think my only hope for the new system for mid-tier players like me is that it comes in tiers. Like the current Forge upgrade screen, where you can slowly chip away at it to increase the base stats. If the system has a 5 cores/couple of million credit upgrade button that you can hit multiple times to work your way up, I would very very much be down for that. Makes the grind worth it by having little reward tiers sprinkled in on your way to a great peerless.

Here's to payments instead of a lump sum!

Sorry bring this up again but... for sure not want way to check if riddle correct, or atleast how far our accuracy is from not-red threshold avg? (or "recent riddle performance" list that tells us how many ponys we got correct out of possible for last few riddles we try)

I been in red since little after new puzzle format.

Initially i believe is because i not selecting more than 1 pony ever.

But now i know instructions & feel like i am not missing more than maybe 1 pony per puzzle & when i miss one I leave blank bcz earlier was say blank better than wrong.

• However, after ~ 8 puzzles I think I am getting atleast 2/3 I am still red
• & I have no idea if i am just really bad, or need more puzzles, or maybe something elses is wrong my setup (I can't see Stamina when in battle so maybe my setup wrong? Not sure if i suppose to or not?)

About me maybe being bad... I never went red with old riddle master, & 1 pony always easy in new riddlesmaster, so doub/t I'm less than 1/3... & usually 2 ponys pretty clear...

& if answer is "use energy drink". Sure, but 1 50 round arena just use me like 3 stamina.

• So maintain stamina equilibrium require me like ~ 400 round per day
• each energy drink get me ~165 rounds

So right now I can't even run through decent chunk arena without lose stamina per 24 hours, & while i not mind spend buy some energy drinks, i suspect Hell/Nintendo difficulty not make enough money support 200-300k on energy drinks a day from ~700 rounds (i neglect getting some through shrine though)


& just to be clear: I not complaining about the stamina system. I'm just saying that I dont think I suck at getting at least 2 ponies, but being in red mean I suck, which is okay except I not know what I getting wrong or if i getting better, & Playing more than casually like this seem not sustainable? (to me)

This post has been edited by monk31: Jan 29 2022, 18:08

Sorry bring this up again but... for sure not want way to check if riddle correct, or atleast how far our accuracy is from not-red threshold avg? (or "recent riddle performance" list that tells us how many ponys we got correct out of possible for last few riddles we try)

I been in red since little after new puzzle format.

Initially i believe is because i not selecting more than 1 pony ever.

But now i know instructions & feel like i am not missing more than maybe 1 pony per puzzle & when i miss one I leave blank bcz earlier was say blank better than wrong.

• However, after ~ 8 puzzles I think I am getting atleast 2/3 I am still red
• & I have no idea if i am just really bad, or need more puzzles, or maybe something elses is wrong my setup (I can't see Stamina when in battle so maybe my setup wrong? Not sure if i suppose to or not?)

About me maybe being bad... I never went red with old riddle master, & 1 pony always easy in new riddlesmaster, so doub/t I'm less than 1/3... & usually 2 ponys pretty clear...

& if answer is "use energy drink". Sure, but 1 50 round arena just use me like 3 stamina.

• So maintain stamina equilibrium require me like ~ 400 round per day
• each energy drink get me ~165 rounds

So right now I can't even run through decent chunk arena without lose stamina per 24 hours, & while i not mind spend buy some energy drinks, i suspect Hell/Nintendo difficulty not make enough money support 200-300k on energy drinks a day from ~700 rounds (i neglect getting some through shrine though)
& just to be clear: I not complaining about the stamina system. I'm just saying that I dont think I suck at getting at least 2 ponies, but being in red mean I suck, which is okay except I not know what I getting wrong or if i getting better, & Playing more than casually like this seem not sustainable? (to me)

Try to get all of them. Not 2 out of 3.

check the wiki, you can find the pony chart there. Then take 5 minutes of your time. Not less! 5 minutes. Use the 5 minutes to study the pony chart. Look for details that are recognizable different: hair, tail, horn, wings. After that, you're good to go.

check the wiki, you can find the pony chart there. Then take 5 minutes of your time. Not less! 5 minutes. Use the 5 minutes to study the pony chart. Look for details that are recognizable different: hair, tail, horn, wings. After that, you're good to go.

I appreciate your advice and words of encouragement, but I do not think everyone will be good to go after studying the pony chart. People have different strengths and weaknesses and some are poor at being meticulous especially with a timer counting down. Some will be miserable with this more difficult RiddleMaster. They will have to come up with a strategy to compensate, for example, decrease the time they spend playing HV. However, that is not too bad as long as this is true for Persistent and not just Isekai.

It recalculates once per hour.

The name argument isn't that convincing. If it's that bothersome, just rename all current Peerless to something else like Cataclysmic, and then after we max out Cataclysmic they become the new Peerless.

Or come up with a better name for the final maxed level beyond Peerless, like Hentaifu. Yarr, behold my Hentaifu Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall.

No. The main point is that the upgrade system is being introduced so more players have the chance to go after the perfect equipment by upgrading Legendary pieces, which can reach the Peerless level with enough cores/credits.

This is perfect because getting the correct prefix/suffix type/slot Peerless drop is just a miracle, while getting the right Legendary isn't as uncommon, so even the average player can work on their dream equipment over time without having to rely entirely on RNG, having a more solid goal to work towards than running after a castle in the clouds.

The system becomes pointless if you can upgrade a Peerless equipment, as the whole process of upgrading your Legendary is worthless if Peerless isn't the best available anymore.

This might even create an endless cycle in which the uber rich will simply upgrade Legendary equipment to salvage for Peerless cores later on, culminating in a scenario that some people feared where average Legendary+ equipment becomes scarce and out of the reach of new/low budget players.

I already have 0 confidence in competing with the rich players when it comes to auctions for top of the line equips, but I don't bother because the slight increase in power isn't that needed imo, and I'm totally fine with my "average" set that can clear PFUDOR arenas and IWBTH Grindfest, but if that stops being a "mathematically insignificant" number according to Tenboro, and it's something completely out of reach for me, how could I even bother with the system in the first place?

The system becomes pointless if you can upgrade a Peerless equipment, as the whole process of upgrading your Legendary is worthless if Peerless isn't the best available anymore.

I don't see the logic here. You need to have a peerless piece if you want to upgrade it past peerless, and as you just said this will be a good way for regular players to get a useful peerless. Really all it's doing is introducing powercreep.

This might even create an endless cycle in which the uber rich will simply upgrade Legendary equipment to salvage for Peerless cores later on

Spending over 100M credits to take a legendary up to peerless to salvage for cores? It won't happen. They would just FoS for peerless cores at a fraction of the price.

I don't see the logic here. You need to have a peerless piece if you want to upgrade it past peerless, and as you just said this will be a good way for regular players to get a useful peerless. Really all it's doing is introducing powercreep.

Spending over 100M credits to take a legendary up to peerless to salvage for cores? It won't happen. They would just FoS for peerless cores at a fraction of the price.

It'd be pointless because no sensible person would spend hundreds of millions of credits to upgrade a Legendary to Peerless just to spend even more upgrading that, all while competing with the uber rich for mats/cores.

Just getting an average Legendary/Peerless for a fraction of the cost and leaving it at that is the best option for the average/low budget player, and the new great feature would be something entirely made for the uber rich to have fun with.

I for one only have an average Dark Mage equipment that I could spend 100M to upgrade, but I don't because it's "mathematically insignificant". I'd definitely upgrade my LDWD to a PDWD because of vanity, even if there were no new upsides from moving up to a Peerless item, but if the system is just adding Power Creep as you mentioned, why even bother wasting credits on it if the system isn't meant for me in the first place?

If there's some perks in the new IW system for owning a Peerless, like extra potency slots then sure, I guess it's a necessity, but if not I wouldn't bother with it for vanity, as Peerless isn't the best anymore, and I'd just continue grinding until I get a PDWD by other means, even if it takes me another dozen years, ignoring the new fancy feature entirely.

You do have a point regarding FoS, as that endless cycle would pretty much be the worst case scenario in which trophy prices increase tenfold, and the whole player market crashes around it, but it's still bad regardless in my view, as it will definitely have an effect on the credit/HatH/GP economy if the uber rich can keep throwing money at it and starve the market of mats/cores, creating inflation and making the system even more exclusive while at it.

If we take a look at the current upgrade system, low and mid-grade materials are worthless, like most secondary bindings, so adding a new system without fixing/adjusting old ones will just add to the whole mess and create an even bigger snowball to tackle later on.

I'm entirely against pointless systems, like Soulbinding being mostly useless after level 500, with 65k soul fragments sitting in my inventory piling dust, so my only hope is for the new upgrade feature to not be pointless on release, as the best way of getting a Peerless for regular players would remain as grinding for years, while the uber rich simply have an extra shortcut now, which would be just the starting point for the new "perfect" gear as well.

This post has been edited by Kinights: Jan 30 2022, 11:50

Just getting an average Legendary/Peerless for a fraction of the cost and leaving it at that is the best option for the average/low budget player, and the new great feature would be something entirely made for the uber rich to have fun with.

I for one only have an average Dark Mage equipment that I could spend 100M to upgrade, but I don't because it's "mathematically insignificant". I'd definitely upgrade my LDWD to a PDWD because of vanity, even if there were no new upsides from moving up to a Peerless item, but if the system is just adding Power Creep as you mentioned, why even bother wasting credits on it if the system isn't meant for me in the first place?

If you're fine with having "good enough" equipment then yeah this probably isn't an update with you in mind. The update is to increase the amount of good peerless in the game, without devaluing them by just increasing the drop rate, so that people who do want to work towards a perfect set can reasonably do so.

You do have a point regarding FoS, as that endless cycle would pretty much be the worst case scenario in which trophy prices increase tenfold, and the whole player market crashes around it, but it's still bad regardless in my view, as it will definitely have an effect on the credit/HatH/GP economy if the uber rich can keep throwing money at it and starve the market of mats/cores, creating inflation and making the system even more exclusive while at it.

Is anyone other than the uber rich buying trophies? It takes over 200M to even unlock FoS so I don't see increased trophy prices being a problem for the average player, wouldn't it just help to redistribute the wealth to average players who get income from selling trophies?

If we take a look at the current upgrade system, low and mid-grade materials are worthless, like most secondary bindings, so adding a new system without fixing/adjusting old ones will just add to the whole mess and create an even bigger snowball to tackle later on.

I'm entirely against pointless systems, like Soulbinding being mostly useless after level 500, with 65k soul fragments sitting in my inventory piling dust,

Yeah true, but it sounds like the way forging works will be changing too say maybe there are parts of the rework that we haven't heard about that will address these things.

Is anyone other than the uber rich buying trophies? It takes over 200M to even unlock FoS so I don't see increased trophy prices being a problem for the average player, wouldn't it just help to redistribute the wealth to average players who get income from selling trophies?

Redistributing the wealth is a dumb concept in a capitalistic system, because when everyone becomes rich, no one is rich anymore.

Anything that's not sold in unlimited quantities on the Bazaar doesn't have a fixed price to it, so if trophies increase tenfold in price, it's likely the market will eventually follow suit and other items will grow in price as well according to supply and demand, hence my concerns about inflation.

Forging used to be way more expensive back in the day, but now it's something more affordable for the average user, as high-grade mats are plentiful in supply, and even most primary bindings aren't crazy expensive anymore.

Phazons might be the best example of a limited supply commodity that's likely to increase in price once the upfate hits, but I'm not as concerned about that as for Legendary/Peerless cores because the upgrade system has a limit, while this whole core business is still being worked around and up to debate.

If you just need 10 cores to hit the upgrade limit then sure, it might not be such a drastic problem, but if you need 1.000s of cores to get your Uber Peerless, then it should be quite clear that the economy will get messed up when people throw billions of credits around to get their cool shiny new stuff.

I know the system might not be intended for me, but I'd prefer if I could play around with it in the near future, instead of 10 years down the line when the core bubble has burst down, and the feature becomes mostly pointless, as I might already have all the Peerless equips I wanted, and there's no point in owning an Uber Peerless besides vanity.

This post has been edited by Kinights: Jan 31 2022, 02:34

as predicted in last thread, its already had an effect, i have only seen 1 legendary for sale in bazar over last few days, given up to 300+ i was using junk legendaries from bazar this would have affected my levelling.

Today i have seen my first RiddleMaster on Android, my comment is AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

It is incredibly difficult to find all 3 pony, i think we need a more easy version for mobile.

Riddlemaster

If you do not submit the answers to the riddle within the time limit, it will automatically submit it and use the checked answers unless the answer is more than a couple seconds overdue; if it is, it will be considered a blank answer for accuracy purposes. You do not get the buff in the latter case.

1) I click ponys I see, time go to 0, no automatically submit after 10 seconds? When refresh page to get back battle no buff. (get no buff here correct according rules)

2) I click ponys i see, time go to 0, I click submit <1 second after 0, no have any buff

About 1) Just make me worry why not auto submit? Maybe problem on my side? I use firefox with private, plus 3 script (monsterbation, hvutils, percentile ranges), but I not aware any known issues about these?

About 2) I guess probably no buff maybe correct assuming <1 second after 0 not count as in time limit?

This post has been edited by monk31: Feb 1 2022, 02:24

1) I click ponys I see, time go to 0, no automatically submit after 10 seconds? When refresh page to get back battle no buff. (get no buff here correct according rules)

2) I click ponys i see, time go to 0, I click submit <1 second after 0, no have any buff

About 1) Just make me worry why not auto submit? Maybe problem on my side? I use firefox with private, plus 3 script (monsterbation, hvutils, percentile ranges), but I not aware any known issues about these?

About 2) I guess probably no buff maybe correct assuming <1 second after 0 not count as in time limit?

You get buffs only if you actively submit the answer before half of the time you have get depleted, if you let more than half time pass there is no buff, only the effect "Blessing of the Riddplemaster" for 20 turns (or 50 if you have the perk).

Fundamentally you have to submit the answer as fast as you can.

Remove the ability to upgrade a Peerless even further, make it so that upgrading a Legendary is less expensive than just buying/FoS'ing a Peerless, and then we can talk.
Nothing making me want to return, sadly.

as predicted in last thread, its already had an effect, i have only seen 1 legendary for sale in bazar over last few days, given up to 300+ i was using junk legendaries from bazar this would have affected my leveling.

Ah great point. In that case, let's pray that when the patch hits, the value of legendary cores are scaled such that whoever bought up all the legendaries screwed themselves.

In other words, hopefully the free market value of legendary cores ends up less than 10k each (they should be between the bazaar buy and sell price, to prevent the stupidity you described).

Ah great point. In that case, let's pray that when the patch hits, the value of legendary cores are scaled such that whoever bought up all the legendaries screwed themselves.

In other words, hopefully the free market value of legendary cores ends up less than 10k each (they should be between the bazaar buy and sell price, to prevent the stupidity you described).

That gives me an idea: What if you have a low quality legendary euipment piece, could you just salvage it and buy it back ad infinitum to rack up legendary cores?

That gives me an idea: What if you have a low quality legendary euipment piece, could you just salvage it and buy it back ad infinitum to rack up legendary cores?

go ahead and try. You'll find that it works only once.

You get buffs only if you actively submit the answer before half of the time you have get depleted, if you let more than half time pass there is no buff, only the effect "Blessing of the Riddplemaster" for 20 turns (or 50 if you have the perk).

Fundamentally you have to submit the answer as fast as you can.

You can get buffs for riddle master? I guess I've never seen this for myself because I can never submit the answer before time expires.
Have a vision impairment that makes it hard to see things that blend into each other without contrast. The new ponies are ******* hard to pick out a lot of the time even with the contrast filter program I have on my browser. Just waiting for the penalties to stack up and tip me into red again because I've been checking HV often due to having some spare time.