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post Jan 19 2022, 21:07
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To be added to the whitelist for "rough translation" you need at least:
  • A mod power of 10
  • Three existing gallery comments that fulfill the tag requirements
To be added, make a post in this thread linking to the comments you made. Existing whitelisted users and/or moderators will then validate that your posts are valid and constructive before you are approved. A history of non-constructive or discourteous posts beyond the submitted three may also disqualify you from the whitelist.

The post immediately following this can be edited by a moderator to change the whitelist. Each line must start with the user's UID and should be followed by the user's name and which source/target languages they are qualified for. The parser ignores everything past the initial number, as well as any line that doesn't start with a number. Changes can take up to an hour to take effect.

You may be removed from the whitelist if you use the tag beyond its stated purpose, provide supporting comments that are not constructive or are discourteous, or tag languages not listed with your entry.

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post Apr 27 2022, 05:36
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Glovelove you are the biggest tattletale mark I have ever seen in my life

Keep it up bud I'm sure you'll get into all the mod clubs and scanlator secret chats if you just continue your attempts at brownnosing

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Here's your use case, you joyless ghoul.
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post Apr 27 2022, 05:37
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If it is a rewrite it should be tagged as such (can't be tagged as Rewrite and Rough Translation at the same time though, and rewrite is harder to prove so we basically made that tag obsolete unless uploaders admit to doing it and tag it themselves), if it isn't, best to avoid the word altogether.

I fully understand you didn't intend to start that tag but you got some fans that seem to take such comments very literally. Every time I've seen rewrite combined with Rough Translation or Rough Grammar after the Rough Translation tag was added it could be traced back to you using the word in a comment.


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post Apr 27 2022, 05:51
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This thread can be used for the discussion of whitelist candidacy, there's no need for harassment, please keep it on topic.
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post Apr 27 2022, 11:23
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FWIW, I don't really think that comment as a whole breaches the guidelines.

That said, it's generally better to refrain the use of "rewrite" for this sort of comments, since people do have a habit of tagging the thing whenever they see the comment mentioning that word.


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post Apr 27 2022, 11:31
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QUOTE(PrincessKaguya @ Apr 27 2022, 04:23) *

FWIW, I don't really think that comment as a whole breaches the guidelines.

That said, it's generally better to refrain the use of "rewrite" for this sort of comments, since people do have a habit of tagging the thing whenever they see the comment mentioning that word.


I never said every part of the comment was wrong, but the last bit was at the time of posting, and as a result it only listed 9 errors out of 10 required in a way supported by the tag description. I have no doubt the tag would have been valid either way if 10 errors could be grabbed from just 2 pages of text but we set up this tag with specific rules in place to avoid abuse and those rules should be followed, I'd prefer not to let standards gradually slip till we arrive at the state Poor Grammar found itself in.

The comment has already been fixed so tag is valid till the translator updates their gallery (which, tbf, could just be fixing a single mistake to bump it down to 9/10 valid errors listed if they really want to be petty about it), thumbs up to Cutegyaru for the relatively fast response.

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post Apr 29 2022, 15:58
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Moved some posts to Translations Evaluation.


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post Jul 30 2022, 13:10
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I'd like to put my name in the mix for JP > EN. Here's three comments I've posted:

http://ehentaihip.com/g/2159693/ba35c78f33/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2282923/b5a8bf73b4/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2253797/978de318e0/

I like to think I'm pretty constructive with both these, rough grammar tags, and just my comments in general. At least, I can't ever recall ever being downright hostile to an uploader. Still, if you guys need anything else, just let me know
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post Jul 31 2022, 02:54
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QUOTE(Mr_Person @ Jul 30 2022, 01:10) *

I'd like to put my name in the mix for JP > EN. Here's three comments I've posted:

http://ehentaihip.com/g/2159693/ba35c78f33/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2282923/b5a8bf73b4/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2253797/978de318e0/

I like to think I'm pretty constructive with both these, rough grammar tags, and just my comments in general. At least, I can't ever recall ever being downright hostile to an uploader. Still, if you guys need anything else, just let me know

First gallery: Second point is a nitpick, but looks fine otherwise.

Second gallery: Looks fine, minus the final point, which could have been detailed more regarding the mistake.

Third gallery: Looks fine. There's a nitpick, but there's enough mistakes to reach the quota anyway.

Mr_Person is also a known translator, and while he refuses to put periods at the end of his sentences, I don't see an issue with his JP knowledge. My one caveat is that some of these are rewording nitpicks, but as long as the comment are complemented by enough mistakes, I don't see this as an issue.

Like he mentioned, I also see him make rough grammar comments. I also have never seen him make rude comments. I don't have issues with him being on the whitelist if he adds another comment in the first gallery.

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post Jul 31 2022, 16:15
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QUOTE(Mr_Person @ Jul 29 2022, 22:10) *
I'd like to put my name in the mix for JP > EN. Here's three comments I've posted:

http://ehentaihip.com/g/2159693/ba35c78f33/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2282923/b5a8bf73b4/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2253797/978de318e0/

I like to think I'm pretty constructive with both these, rough grammar tags, and just my comments in general. At least, I can't ever recall ever being downright hostile to an uploader. Still, if you guys need anything else, just let me know

Sorry for the delay in responding, and thank you to cutegyaru for letting me know that there was someone waiting for a review. IRL has been kicking my ass since February so...yeah. But when it comes to approving more people for the whitelist, I want to at least make sure I can do that.

So, let's get to it.

First gallery, first error, you made a mistake in your transcription. It's マーリン, not アーリン. But you don't make that mistake in the remaining comments so maybe you were just speeding through and didn't notice or something. Also, while your correction is technically correct, I'd say that since the full bubble of the raw ends with だ、よ… and since "Your reliable support, Merlin-onii-san-" doesn't quite convey the intent of the Japanese text in English, a better way of bringing the intent across would be more like, "Hey, sorry to keep you waiting! Your ever-reliable support, Merlin-oniisan, has... a...rrived...?" It reads better in English, and the point of the original line was that he trailed off while saying he had arrived. Still, like I said, your translation is technically correct even if I personally would've handled it differently. Pass.

Second error is a nitpick and more poor grammar than rough TL.

The omission should still have the author's intent attached to qualify as an error. In fact, you did exactly that for the next error, where the uploader had omitted half of the sentence. That should be done for all listed errors.

Speaking of that, the next two errors flow into one another. And while "You've been nominated / By who?" certainly does work there, considering there's no 'nomination' system in F/GO and the context of the scene in question, perhaps a more accurate TL would've been, "No, there's a very good reason for this... It was a personal request... / From who? To which one of us?" Since the next line is, "By me, for you, Merlin." Anyway again, this is me nitpicking the TL, even though you got the technical part right. So again, pass and pass.

For the “No…this couldn’t be a Christmas Miracle, could it…” one, again, I'd nitpick this TL. The actual Japanese reads closer to, "My goodness, to think such a Christmas miracle would actually exist..." The difference is subtle, but it's closer to "I do not doubt whatsoever the existence of Christmas miracles, however granting random people cocks is certainly not one I expected." Still, again, technical thing, so pass.

In all, I count ten valid errors listed, and you quite obviously could've added more if you had to since this entire book is filled with nothing but inaccuracy. Gallery 1, pass.

Gallery 2, interesting neither you nor cutegyaru pointed out that the "Ziiiiiiiiiip!" wasn't in fact a sound effect in the raw, but was the main male character going, "Ehhhhh!?!?" In fact this "translator" has a nasty habit of confusing speech and sound effects despite speech clearly being in bubbles. But I digress...

The one nitpick I have is that the original uploader really messed up the bottom of page 6, but didn't fully get called out for it. What Kotori is actually saying throughout the entirety of page 6 is, "Now then, next...how about you take Kotori's meltingly-hot pussy and dump my reward into it?" This page is a counterpoint to the first page, where Kotori was rewarding the main character for his test scores by giving him a blowjob. Now she wants her reward. It's yet another example of the uploader completely screwing up the subject/object/speaker as they do throughout the book.

Plus they didn't even bother to translate most of page 7, even though Kotori has a spoken line that isn't just moaning.

There's also more wrong on p9 than listed, but that's fine...

The error you list on page 10 is incorrect on your part. You say that the literal translation of the line is, "Your vagina is amazing too," but as cutegyaru pointed out, the actual literal translation of this line is, "And your pussy is really coiling [around my cock]."

Gallery 2, I'm going to say you submitted 9.5. In general I'm going to recommend for safety's sake that when you try to take one of these galleries, you actually give an error or 2 over the 10 limit. It's what I do. I know it's not required, but if someone claims that you're nitpicking or whatever else, then despite that you've still got the 10 required.

Gallery 3, I'm going to warn people straight out that I don't know jack about modern Pokemon. I got off that train after Silver, so newer characters and name localizations and all that are totally alien to me. As such, I personally would never attempt to translate a modern Pokemon doujin, but my point is that I'm not capable of providing accurate oversight for errors on such a work. Obvious glaring errors sure, but anything that's an error due to official localization or story-related context I'm going to be totally in the dark about.

Anyway, starting off, nitpick on the intent for the first line. In English it'd be closer to, "It seems they haven't been home in a few days, so I'm out looking for them." The difference here is that this phrasing implies that their house has been noticed to be empty for several days in a row (which would be strange). Your phrasing of "It looks like they didn’t return home a few days ago" instead implies that someone specific expected them to return at a specific time and they failed to do so. That was not what the original Japanese text implied.

The last error you listed I would honestly consider a nitpick. Yes, they got it wrong and robbed the male character of his character voice, because the uploader is utterly incompetent. But the intent behind the line still came across (He's rewarding their obedience by forgiving them just this once). But you listed 12 errors, so even if this is considered a nitpick you're well over the limit.



In conclusion, from these three books, I think you certainly know more than any of the uploaders do. I do however think you need to slow down and be more careful with your comments to avoid incorrect transcriptions or stilted English/errors in translation. Do I think you've shown enough competence to wield this tag? Yes. Do I see any evidence that you've been in any way disrespectful in your comments? None, no.

So I would personally rubber-stamp this as an approval unless anyone else has any other comments.
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post Jul 31 2022, 16:55
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Appreciate you taking the time to go through my tags there in the level of detail you did, and as well on pointing out the mistakes I made.

Yeah, honestly while I've been using the site for a long while now, I only started translating/uploading relatively recently, and have been having a go at tagging with rough grammar and rough translation even more recently, so as far as some of my points listed towards a rough TL being more nitpicky than anything is mostly because I'm not super familiar with the tag and what justifies it. Still, I reckon my Japanese (save the mistakes you pointed out), is fair enough to apply the tag in a satisfactory manner.

Again, thanks for the feedback.
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post Aug 1 2022, 00:47
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QUOTE(Shank @ Jul 31 2022, 13:15) *

Going through some of your past comments, omissions such as sound effects/title also aren't valid unless administration says otherwise. Same goes for not translating moans absolutely perfectly, nits like using circle instead of group, "there's a set phrase for this translation", etc.

When making a comment, if you think an average reader who only speaks the language presented won't care, it's probably not worth it. For example, if you came across a gallery and saw "I'm cumming", but it could be translated as "I'm cumming Jack", this doesn't make a difference to the reader.

This is one from my notes from a few weeks ago, but
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Cutegyaru comment

>I did not try to fix the grammar as I don't know what fonts were used.
Tagging based on this.

http://ehentaihip.com/g/2221054/bf544c669c/

Do not do this. A valid comment is required on the gallery being tagged. Stuff like this risks you being removed from the whitelist, you don't really have an excuse of not knowing at this point.


^ you/your here is referring to cutegyaru.


QUOTE(Shank @ Jul 31 2022, 13:15) *

The biggest thing that matters is that the comments are valid as they stand. You mention things like it being a nitpick, or more in line with rough grammar - those don't count. He'll be approved if the comments have the required number of valid errors, I'd appreciate it if you can confirm

QUOTE(Nomake Wan @ Jul 31 2022, 14:33) *

I can confirm. I did post quite the wall of text, so I don't blame you if you were confused. When in the first gallery I said that Mr_Person had 10 valid errors listed, I had already omitted the ones that I thought he had gotten wrong or that were nitpicks or more rough_grammar. I have zero intention of letting those slide. Same with when he made a clear error on the final gallery; I did not count that towards the total either.

That being said, I would like to see one more error listed for the second gallery to be 100% satisfied. As it stands I'm 95% satisfied.

Quoting some relevant parts of posts that got moved to the rough translation tag suggestion thread.
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post Aug 1 2022, 07:51
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QUOTE(Nomake Wan @ Jul 31 2022, 16:33) *


That being said, I would like to see one more error listed for the second gallery to be 100% satisfied. As it stands I'm 95% satisfied.


As per Nomake Wan's request, I have updated the second gallery, [Dear Durandal (Kihinata Hiroki)] Kotori-chan to! (Love Live!) [English] [Digital], with a few more errors that I think are more pertinent to the tag.
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post Aug 1 2022, 13:31
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QUOTE(Mr_Person @ Jul 31 2022, 16:51) *
As per Nomake Wan's request, I have updated the second gallery, [Dear Durandal (Kihinata Hiroki)] Kotori-chan to! (Love Live!) [English] [Digital], with a few more errors that I think are more pertinent to the tag.

I checked the additions and they're all good, so well over the 10 limit now.

That's all three galleries passed without further issue, so I'm 100% satisfied. cool.gif
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post Aug 1 2022, 18:14
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You are added, post here if you encounter problems tagging it
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post Aug 1 2022, 18:49
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Yep, working fine. Thanks.
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post Sep 24 2022, 07:47
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hi! I'd like to be added to the whitelist if these comments qualify

http://ehentaihip.com/g/2329373/0c2fea9c7e/#c5186004
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2333939/5e09bf32ba/#c5197481
http://ehentaihip.com/g/2333941/838d980f92/#c5197602

I might have a few older examples but I hope these 3 meet the requirements
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