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Before I start, I guess I should say that I'm still relatively new in this whole translation scene so I'm just wondering what the people that have done these things for a while think about the following points that I'm going to address.

1) Ninjas
2) Speed vs. quality
3) Cock-blockers


Ninjas
The people that fall under this category are pretty much snipers. They don't accept bounties nor show their progress and only claim the bounties when they are finished. The people that did accept it before claiming will have no idea who they are competing with nor will they know if other people are interested in doing the bounty besides themselves.

Speed vs. Quality
Say we have a popular doujin that someone is commissioning. It has a high yield requiring a relatively low amount of work. Some translators become interested and they start working on it. They all accepted the bounty beforehand so everyone knows who they are competing against. If you're a translator, would you go for speed or quality? If you go for speed, you can potentially get the bounty for being the first one to dish it out. On the flip side, your translation could end up being a burning pile of shit. If you go for quality, the upside is obvious. Your end product is better but you risk the possibility that someone might claim it before you do. What should a translator do in this case? I guess what I'm asking is what's the proper way to handle a situation like this.

Cock-blockers
Pretty self-explanatory. This group of people are pretty different from the ninjas. Unlike ninjas that claim the bounty only when they are finished, cock-blockers claim the bounty even before they start as a means to prevent anyone else from accepting or claiming the bounty. Usually they will have an accompanying message or PM to the bounty poster saying that they will have it done by X amount of time to prevent the bounty poster from outright disputing the claim. Personally, I'm not too fond of this particular group but I would also like to hear your thoughts on it.

Retarded Claimers
Like the name suggests, these people don't like to read. They claim anything they see without bothering to read the bounty description or what the poster is asking for. Typically, their claims are accompanied by but are not limited to the following:
    1) A link to a random image, file, or anything else that has nothing to do with the bounty.
    2) Relinking the gallery that you specified in the bounty description itself.
So, what's the proper bounty etiquette that translators and editors should follow when dealing with these types of situations? I haven't found any discussions regarding this so I'm assuming that there is none in place, which means that people are free to do as they please. And the only thing preventing them from doing so is the discretion of the bounty poster. Some feedback on these three points would be much appreciated. If enough discussion can be generated from this, maybe a system can be set up that translators and editors can follow for properly dealing with bounties. A list of commandments if you will, or something of this sort.

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Guidelines: These are some preliminary guidelines for prospective translators/editors/bounty posters.

For bounty hunters:
  1. Don't claim a bounty that someone else has already accepted without prior notice. Place an "accept" so that the bounty poster and other translator know that there is a competitor.
  2. Don't accept a bounty if you can't finish it in a reasonable amount of time. I would suggest 1 week for <40 pg (most doujinshi), 2 weeks for <100 pg (long works like the Silent Saturn series or text-heavy stuff like Black Dog), and 1 month for full tanks (most mangas).
  3. Give the bounty poster an estimate of how long you will take. If there are extenuating circumstances that will cause you to go over the estimate, PM the poster so he knows what's going on.
For bounty posters, here are some ways to ensure a reasonable level of quality:
  1. Be specific in the bounty description (e.g., they must give a time estimate, etc.).
  2. Raise the required hunter rank to get rid of trolls (most translators are rank C or higher).
  3. Approach specific translators.
  4. Split translating and editing duties, as that opens up the bounty to a wider pool of translators who don't edit and lets you place a quality control step before the gallery is uploaded.
  5. Don't be lazy. Put a little bit of effort to show that you actually care about the bounty. Writing a simple comment or even a smiley would suffice when accepting claims.


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sushi0   Bounty Etiquette   Sep 24 2011, 18:55
Koudesu   I've only been working as a translator on thes...   Sep 24 2011, 20:18
sushi0   There have been many great points made all around ...   Sep 26 2011, 01:03
rookie84   [quote name='sushi0' post='1335697' date='Sep 26 2...   Sep 26 2011, 05:31
Sushilicious   [quote name='rookie84' post='1336098' date='Sep 26...   Sep 30 2011, 06:52
c7n88   Koudesu made some very good points.   Sep 24 2011, 20:34
Super Shanko   I'm ashamed to admit that i've been all th...   Sep 24 2011, 20:36
Madao   Ninjas I just send a pm before starting on a trans...   Sep 24 2011, 22:03
Cyberdemon   I prefer cock-blockers to ninjas because I can clo...   Sep 24 2011, 22:26
Super Shanko   [quote name='Cyberdemon' post='1333475' date='Sep ...   Sep 25 2011, 00:27
Madao   i'm guessing n/t stands for no text. when i fi...   Sep 25 2011, 00:56
rookie84   :lol: I knew that Valkyria doujinshi would be trou...   Sep 25 2011, 02:10
Super Shanko   Can we also include the actual bounty posters? Lik...   Sep 25 2011, 02:45
loressan   it was me about that valkyria doujin who approach ...   Sep 25 2011, 02:55
Red_Piotrus   I think the valkyria thing was a fluke, the raw wa...   Sep 25 2011, 03:19
Madao   [quote name='Red_Piotrus' post='1334063' date='Sep...   Sep 25 2011, 04:50
loressan   no he talking about other one from (C80) [Fukafuka...   Sep 25 2011, 03:28
AfroThunda   As far as I see it, there is no bounty etiquette. ...   Sep 25 2011, 03:38
Tenboro   Well, for one you should start putting quality req...   Sep 25 2011, 11:55
sekirei07   Well I guess I should make a comment as I might ha...   Sep 25 2011, 14:44
AfroThunda   [quote name='sekirei07' post='1334781' date='Sep 2...   Sep 25 2011, 15:32
Super Shanko   Actually, I have t admit, putting a time limit on ...   Sep 25 2011, 15:33
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='Super Shanko' post='1334816' date='Se...   Sep 25 2011, 22:47
AfroThunda   [quote name='Red_Piotrus' post='1335505' date='Sep...   Sep 25 2011, 23:22
Tenboro   Bounties expire after 30 days of inactivity. You s...   Sep 25 2011, 15:46
loressan   little off topic maybe how many translator on this...   Sep 26 2011, 05:53
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='loressan' post='1336129' date='Sep 26...   Sep 26 2011, 11:05
Super Shanko   Excellent guidelines about doing sloppy work. But ...   Sep 26 2011, 16:14
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='Super Shanko' post='1336781' date='Se...   Sep 27 2011, 21:53
Yamato-san   I forget whether or not I left a comment whenever ...   Sep 29 2011, 06:53
Super Shanko   Well, theres always a bunch or smaller doujins (le...   Sep 29 2011, 07:01
loressan   yes if its ranked then no problem at all for me,th...   Sep 29 2011, 07:04
Super Shanko   I think a simple "make no effort to PM me or ...   Sep 29 2011, 07:09
Red_Piotrus   Don't forget to abuse some mod to make this th...   Sep 30 2011, 12:23
Sushilicious   [quote name='Red_Piotrus' post='1344939' date='Sep...   Oct 2 2011, 16:06
Sushilicious   Added a fourth category to the list. Retarded C...   Oct 4 2011, 15:22
Super Shanko   [quote name='Sushilicious' post='1354148' date='Oc...   Oct 4 2011, 17:53
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='Sushilicious' post='1354148' date='Oc...   Oct 5 2011, 19:38
Sushilicious   [quote name='Red_Piotrus' post='1356663' date='Oct...   Oct 8 2011, 16:31
lightshader   [quote name='Sushilicious' post='1354148' date='Oc...   Oct 5 2011, 23:26
Red_Piotrus   Good call, I sent him a PM. Not sure if a bounty t...   Oct 6 2011, 00:19
Super Shanko   [quote name='Red_Piotrus' post='1357250' date='Oct...   Oct 6 2011, 00:27
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='Super Shanko' post='1357254' date='Oc...   Oct 6 2011, 12:08
Super Shanko   Yea, but with that it could favor the claimer on a...   Oct 8 2011, 17:28
Sushilicious   Whether it favors the claimer or poster depends on...   Oct 8 2011, 17:40
Tenboro   I'm the bounty moderator. There's usually ...   Oct 9 2011, 03:09
Sushilicious   Speaking of retarded claimers, can someone ban thi...   Oct 10 2011, 15:04
Tenboro   Banned him already.   Oct 10 2011, 15:57
Sushilicious   Gee, thanks Speedyboro.   Oct 11 2011, 19:18
Sushilicious   Welps, looks like another moron has hit the dust.   Nov 6 2011, 16:53
Super Shanko   Good, that guy sucked (falsely claimed my bounty) ...   Nov 6 2011, 18:49
lightshader   While that will probably help cut down on abuser...   Nov 6 2011, 19:33
Super Shanko   I can see how that would be a problem. Let's s...   Nov 6 2011, 19:45
lightshader   Actually, 10k is fairly strong fine, somewhat wort...   Nov 6 2011, 19:59
PeopleDon'tDanceNoMore   The bounty poster rejects the claim, right? Would...   Nov 6 2011, 20:07
Super Shanko   It's kinda funny, but i'm sorta pleased wi...   Nov 6 2011, 22:41
Red_Piotrus   I think all rejections are reviewed by Ten, so I w...   Nov 7 2011, 03:11
Tenboro   I wouldn't have added it if it my inbox didn...   Nov 7 2011, 04:12
watisit   LOL, but still, could you make the 10k go to the b...   Nov 7 2011, 10:33
Red_Piotrus   I have revised the wording of my bounties a little...   Nov 27 2011, 17:29
Red_Piotrus   So I wonder about having a disclaimer: I will igno...   Dec 14 2011, 08:18
Sushilicious   So I've been keeping an eye on the Claimed Bou...   Jan 4 2012, 23:11
Super Shanko   I can agree with that. I had a forced claim once (...   Jan 4 2012, 23:20
Dlaglacz   That bounty was second on the Top 10 list, look at...   Jan 5 2012, 05:58
Thanatos Zero   Wow o.0! This is a big case! From the bo...   Jan 5 2012, 08:51
Tenboro   It was forced, yes. But alerting contributors woul...   Jan 5 2012, 13:06
Thanatos Zero   Cool~ our mod took care of it :) An update: An...   Jan 5 2012, 20:24
Sushilicious   I approve. The bounty system is finally starting ...   Jan 6 2012, 00:56
Red_Piotrus   Fixing the occasional troll problem is nice. Now, ...   Jan 6 2012, 14:36
loressan   i dont claim anything but these actually suspiciou...   Jan 8 2012, 01:30
digitXSX   Question: Given the current bounty system, do peop...   Mar 18 2012, 23:14
Red_Piotrus   [quote name='digitXSX' post='1749326' date='Mar 19...   Mar 19 2012, 15:41
Super Shanko   It's 50/50, but they always put edit in the ti...   Mar 18 2012, 23:37
qaqtusman   Do bounties expire after a certain period of inact...   Mar 27 2012, 10:50
Super Shanko   [quote name='qaqtusman' post='1772703' date='Mar 2...   Mar 27 2012, 15:46
lightshader   When a bounty is about to expire, the bounty poste...   Mar 27 2012, 21:46
Tenboro   Claimed bounties never expire, just FYI.   Mar 28 2012, 05:25
qaqtusman   [quote name='Tenboro' post='1774786' date='Mar 28 ...   Mar 28 2012, 22:55
Tenboro   Well, when you claim it, the poster has 7 days to ...   Mar 29 2012, 02:48
ramza022   But anyway, then if you claim and 7 days passes wi...   Mar 29 2012, 13:17
Tenboro   As long as the claim has sufficient information to...   Mar 29 2012, 14:00
qaqtusman   [quote name='Tenboro' post='1778196' date='Mar 29 ...   Mar 29 2012, 19:26
Super Shanko   [quote name='qaqtusman' post='1778726' date='Mar 2...   Mar 29 2012, 19:31
qaqtusman   [quote name='Super Shanko' post='1778736' date='Ma...   Mar 29 2012, 21:58
Super Shanko   [quote name='qaqtusman' post='1779131' date='Mar 2...   Mar 29 2012, 22:00
Tenboro   Naw, just me. There are very few disputes, especia...   Mar 30 2012, 03:57
shiki666   I have a question regarding posting a bounty. I...   Jun 4 2012, 21:45
Super Shanko   First, I don't know. I've never been calle...   Jun 5 2012, 00:43
shiki666   Ok that makes sense. I think I'll make editin...   Jun 5 2012, 17:27
Super Shanko   Fun fact: you can get away with posting a 5k cred+...   Jun 5 2012, 17:46
shiki666   Thanks for the tip but the doujin in question I wa...   Jun 5 2012, 19:36
Super Shanko   You should be fine posting it. Since it's a bo...   Jun 5 2012, 19:50
shiki666   Ok thanks for the advice. I think I'll post t...   Jun 6 2012, 00:54
Super Shanko   With that I simply mention that it's a Transla...   Jun 6 2012, 01:36
shiki666   Ok thank you. I'll be careful.   Jun 6 2012, 07:27
Marien   How often do unranked hunters with 0 posts on the ...   Jun 18 2012, 07:07
KirbyDances   [quote name='Marien ' post='2009917' date='Jun 18 ...   Jun 18 2012, 10:57
Tenboro   Dunno how often, but when they do it's usually...   Jun 18 2012, 10:34
Marien   Okay, the reason I asked about unranked, 0 posters...   Jun 19 2012, 19:30
lightshader   Not trolls... more like accepting to "watch...   Jun 19 2012, 19:58
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