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post Mar 19 2024, 16:25
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Some of the fundamental rules of voting for tags have been revised.

Tag vote scores are now capped to beween 0 and 200. In other words, additional upvotes on a solid-border tag will not increase its effective power past 200.

As soon as a tag becomes solid or downvoted, this will now start a five minute lock-in timer. After this timer expires, votes for the tag are restricted in various ways.

To avoid the need to make people rush to get their votes in, everyone can still upvote solid tags for 5 minutes after the vote that turned it solid. Everyone can also downvote fully downvoted tags for 5 minutes after the vote that downed it, though with the current UI, that assumes that you didn't refresh the page.

After the five-minute lock-in timer expires, a new "soft veto" and "soft enforce" mechanism now takes effect:
- If a tag is solid, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote in favor of it to vote it down, capped to 25.
- If a tag is downed, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote against it to vote it up, capped to 25.

Vetoes are now counted separately in the logic, as a "veto score" which is the number of vetoers voting for it minus the number of vetoers voting against. Similar to how votes are tallied, this is capped to between 3 and -3.

These vetoes now also work both ways. If a tag has a veto score of 3, it is considered "enforced" and will be solid regardless of other votes, and cannot be downvoted by non-vetoers. If it has a veto score of -3, it is considered "vetoed" and will be downed regardless of other votes, and cannot be upvoted by non-vetoers.

If a tag is vetoed, existing votes are no longer cleared.

If a tag is fully downvoted and then revived after more than 5 minutes, it will count as if this voter was the first person voting on the tag, for toplist/blame purposes.

As tags are capped to 200, if there are conflicting language or reclass tags, instead of tie-breaking by score, the one with the earliest lock-in time wins. In other words, to make a new language or reclass tag take effect, an existing solid tag must be downvoted to at least be non-solid.

Overall, this fixes a number of existing issues with the tagging system. Most importantly, there should no longer be any significant issues with "unkillable" tags, and the way vetoes work is much cleaner. Making tags solid now has a purpose since it effectively locks them in, which is also the case for tags that are killed off without being vetoed, since in both cases incorrect casual/low-power votes are now prevented.

(Edited to make it more readable.)
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Tenboro   Changes to tag voting   Mar 19 2024, 16:25
lotto09   These days I only use tag to mark work I've re...   Mar 19 2024, 20:35
Danio   [quote name='lotto09' post='6456154' date='Mar 19 ...   Mar 20 2024, 04:41
Z.G.   [quote name='Danio' post='6456335' date='Mar 19 20...   Mar 21 2024, 02:14
Bulopu   [quote name='Z.G.' post='6456757' date='Mar 20 202...   Mar 30 2024, 01:06
-terry-   [quote name='Bulopu' post='6461369' date='Mar 29 2...   Mar 30 2024, 02:43
minnazzo   [quote name='lotto09' post='6456154' date='Mar 19 ...   Mar 25 2024, 04:25
Shank   Hopefully you were confirming they were correct be...   Mar 19 2024, 20:48
romanicyte   It would be very nice if there was something to di...   Mar 19 2024, 22:18
-terry-   whats the point? The only difference between a so...   Mar 19 2024, 22:51
romanicyte   [quote name='-terry-' post='6456205' dat...   Mar 19 2024, 23:04
-terry-   [quote name='romanicyte' post='6456213' date='Mar ...   Mar 19 2024, 23:24
Tenboro   [quote name='lotto09' post='6456154' date='Mar 19 ...   Mar 19 2024, 23:37
peterson123   Sounds okay I guess. How do existing tags handle ...   Mar 20 2024, 00:34
Agoraphobia   [quote name='peterson123' post='6456265' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 00:46
peterson123   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6456269' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 00:55
Agoraphobia   [quote name='peterson123' post='6456270' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 00:59
peterson123   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6456273' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 01:08
Agoraphobia   [quote name='peterson123' post='6456274' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 01:18
Z.G.   I'm having mixed feeling about this: I use the...   Mar 20 2024, 03:14
Tenboro   The logic around whether a tag is locked in or not...   Mar 20 2024, 03:30
noones   Just a note about the "news" post, the s...   Mar 20 2024, 03:28
peterson123   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6456280' date='Mar...   Mar 20 2024, 03:45
romanicyte   [quote name='-terry-' post='6456229' dat...   Mar 20 2024, 07:07
derpderp2   I fail to understand why this was needed. Was the ...   Mar 20 2024, 08:04
meow_pao   [quote name='derpderp2' post='6456394' date='Mar 2...   Mar 20 2024, 08:35
Shank   [quote name='derpderp2' post='6456394' date='Mar 2...   Mar 20 2024, 08:39
-terry-   some oddity i noticed: when i downvote a solid ta...   Mar 20 2024, 12:29
Tenboro   [quote name='-terry-' post='6456515' dat...   Mar 20 2024, 13:59
Agoraphobia   [quote name='Z.G.' post='6456308' date='Mar 19 202...   Mar 20 2024, 22:34
dragontamer8740   So this means that I (since i have 25 MP) can stil...   Mar 21 2024, 06:35
nasu   [quote name='dragontamer8740' post='6456822' date=...   Mar 21 2024, 06:47
kotitonttu   [quote name='Tenboro' post='6456039' date='Mar 19 ...   Mar 24 2024, 01:03
nasu   [quote name='kotitonttu' post='6458264' date='Mar ...   Mar 24 2024, 01:04
kotitonttu   [quote name='nasu' post='6458265' date='Mar 23 202...   Mar 24 2024, 01:19
nasu   [quote name='kotitonttu' post='6458275' date='Mar ...   Mar 24 2024, 01:25
-terry-   if my downvote is 20 MP (halved from 40), would ...   Mar 24 2024, 09:16
nasu   [quote name='-terry-' post='6458465' dat...   Mar 24 2024, 09:29
romanicyte   Still heartbroken we cannot upvote solid tags anym...   Mar 25 2024, 09:34
Tenboro   [quote name='romanicyte' post='6458983' date='Mar ...   Mar 25 2024, 14:35
Bulopu   To write a note is to bookmark and I said: >You...   Mar 30 2024, 16:23
-terry-   [quote name='Bulopu' post='6461735' date='Mar 30 2...   Mar 30 2024, 17:40
Bulopu   Are you even reading what I am writing? >I don...   Mar 30 2024, 21:34
kotitonttu   [quote name='Bulopu' post='6461868' date='Mar 30 2...   Apr 16 2024, 03:05
Agoraphobia   The tagging system is for marking works correctly ...   Mar 30 2024, 22:05
kiwino   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6461896' date='Mar...   Jul 16 2024, 14:10
Shank   [quote name='kiwino' post='6515782' date='Jul 16 2...   Jul 16 2024, 18:05
Agoraphobia   [quote name='kiwino' post='6515782' date='Jul 16 2...   Jul 28 2024, 14:24
The Goat is Watching   [quote name='Shank' post='6456418' date='Mar 19 20...   Apr 2 2024, 03:15
Agoraphobia   There is no point in upvoting a solid tag in the f...   Apr 2 2024, 03:18
The Goat is Watching   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6463135' date='Apr...   Apr 17 2024, 03:08
nasu   [quote name='The Goat is Watching' post='6470816' ...   Apr 17 2024, 03:14
Shank   Just skimming the tag tracker, it seems to take ab...   Apr 2 2024, 03:23
The Goat is Watching   [quote name='Agoraphobia' post='6463135' date='Apr...   Apr 2 2024, 03:30
Shank   [quote name='The Goat is Watching' post='6463140' ...   Apr 2 2024, 03:41
-terry-   The current downvote tracking tools rely on the AP...   Apr 8 2024, 01:51
jackbobby   Would there be a way to make the +100MP that langu...   Apr 23 2024, 09:51
Shank   Since they require 100mp to count for default lang...   Apr 23 2024, 17:00
jackbobby   Although I understand the concern someone downvoti...   Apr 23 2024, 18:35
nasu   There has been a recent change allowing tag vetoer...   Apr 23 2024, 20:03
jackbobby   That's a nice change and it'll certainly s...   Apr 23 2024, 21:36
nasu   If it gets out of hand even with these improvement...   Apr 24 2024, 00:54
K4rlos   Now that there are less tags to vote on, is there ...   May 11 2024, 19:36
Shank   The more people confirm a tag the better, further ...   May 11 2024, 19:48
yoyokirby   just noticed I can't add/vote fdp tag due to a...   May 20 2024, 00:11
Shank   The OP has all the details, or you can also check ...   May 20 2024, 00:13
user123455   I for one welcome all the changes   Jul 21 2024, 13:10
Kromdemon   I used tags to keep tracking my personal preferenc...   Sep 18 2024, 07:13


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