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Cipher-kun, please create a new thread suggesting the tag and its definition.

For now I'd suggest expanding the current def as suggested before to

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description=Nudity or sexual activities involving a risk of being witnessed by non-participants or blatantly exposed to anyone who is not one's intimate partner.

which is the last def proposed here that nobody really objected too...

Exposure sounds better to me. But yeah, we kind of agreed that "forced exhibitionism" should be proposed on anew thread and that's it, any fix about con or non-con should follow after that proposal. Right now exhibitionism would both qualify for consensual and forced scenarios.

I will try to propose the forced one in a new thread, but the thing is I don't care about it as much as fixing this one.

That, of course, is easily achieved by just tagging it where it is appropriate, since given the ambiguous state of the current tag, it's not like anyone is bothering to clean it up much and report any errors, so I feel it's one of those tags currently where people tag it based on their understanding of the concept and not bothering to look at the def anyway (and in all honesty this won't change much even if we revise it).

I will see if I am motivated to return to this after NY. It is probably a good idea to have a forced ex tag since it will make at least that particular subfetish searchable.

I still hope we can fix the damn 'watching' tag, but probably the realistic solution is to just tag exhibitionism on any and all forms of public and semi-public exposure.

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Dec 17 2019, 03:56

I love this can of worms, the exhibitionism tag is really hard to get right as I got side tracked into talking about what is and is not exhibitionism when I suggested a new casual nudity tag some time back, and I think I have a better grasp on the situation now after trying to come up with a way to tag my own downloaded doujinshi and manga for it.

So first off, I personally would define exhibitionism as a person getting a thrill or becoming aroused from either being seen or nearly being seen by others, not the act of just being nude in an unconventional situation. To capture this I'd suggest creating two new tags to go along with the exhibitionism tag:

"exposure" - A individual voluntarily carrying out an activity nude either directly in front of others or with a risk of being seen by others in an situation / place where the individual would not normally be nude *(in front of individuals they are not in an intimate relationship with)

"forced exposure" - A individual forced / blackmailed into to carrying out an activity nude either directly in front of others or with a risk of being seen by others in an situation / place where the individual would not normally be nude *(in front of individuals they are not in an intimate relationship with)

The intention of these two tags is to capture the baseline someone is doing something somewhere in the nude and making the distinction between them either being forced or voluntarily carrying out this act of exposure, these would be parent tags, so for exhibitionism to take place you need to have either exposure tagged or forced exposure tagged first.

exhibitionism - An individual engaged in an act of exposure or forced exposure where they're deriving arousal / a thrill from the act of being exposed

So now you have a child tag of exhibitionism for when you can visibly tell that a person is getting a thrill from the situation they're in or is doing it for the purpose of a thrill i.e. flashing in a trench coat etc. In most cases, you can see the girl "leaking" down her leg or getting visibly red in the face / touching herself that would cross over into exhibitionism.

With these three tags we should then be able to easily pick out all the unique situations:
- nudists, casual nudity? - just search for exposure on its own and filter out any exhibitionism
- humiliation play stuff? - forced nudity with / without the exhibitionism tag

Also I disagree with one thing that was said above, exhibitionism can be forced it doesn't always have to be voluntary there are plenty of works where a girl may be forced to strip and ends up getting aroused from having to be nude.

*I do like the distinction made above about the one seeing not being an intimate partner, but I think it's kind of pointless, the moment one of the partners steps nude outside the bedroom I'd honestly like to see the tag on the work as someone walking around their house nude where their partner might see is still hot because it's sort of unconventional.

Lastly some examples of each tag (and some of these works contain more than one type where the first part guys just play nude then they forced the girls to be nude also so would get a tag for both types but on different namespaces):

exposure -
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1112966/513854480b/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/784788/059bfa1b46/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/683221/4b232fad26/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/668212/06e4619037/

forced exposure -
http://ehentaihip.com/g/1538462/625b576a0d/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/812827/055d5cd629/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/866802/d39520e644/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/676145/4912d19a54/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/854185/136b066203/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/687361/68195038f2/

exhibitionism:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/382286/cfd4738bcb/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/940814/c0abfba47f/


This post has been edited by LucKy-X-1989: Jan 4 2020, 11:18

That actually makes a good amount of sense.

The one problem I see is technical: right now exposure is used broadly, so we would need to switch all exhibitionism tags to exposure, then start slowly tagging forced exposure and exhibitionism. And the BIG problem would be people who would keep mistagging exhibitionism in broad situations...

Any updates on this, would be quite interested in seeing this tag updated or some child tags added to augment the existing?

I already activated "forced exposure" some time ago. Was there something else?

I already activated "forced exposure" some time ago. Was there something else?

Nice, I didn't even realize... time to start tagging then.

The only thing I'd like in addition to this would be just an "exposure" tag, identical to forced exposure description-wise but remove the clause about the participant being forced and leave it as voluntary.

Then finally, tweak the exhibitionism tag slightly by taking off the voluntary and clause about "Also blatant exposure to other individuals." (this is all now covered by both exposure / forced exposure) and leave it as just "Nudity or sexual activities with the risk of being seen by other individuals."

Then you have 3 tags all with pretty unique descriptions and just tweaking by exhibitionism like it doesn't invalidate it on any of the existing galleries just makes it less specific but you have 2 new tags to make it more specific for when a person is seen rather than just sneaking around nude.

EDIT:

Also it appears the male variant of the tag is not currently valid I can vote for f:forced exposure but not m:forced exposure?

This post has been edited by LucKy-X-1989: Jun 28 2020, 14:41

Male NS activated.

Male NS activated.

So is there any chance of tacking the two other items?

i.e.

1. adding an exposure tag (identical to forced exposure sans the clause about it being forced):

Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy

Description: A participant's nudity or sexual activities are voluntarily performed in full view of non-participants.
Notes: Not to be confused with exhibitionism.
Gender: The gender of one being voluntarily seen determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 強制暴露

2. adjust exhibitionism (remove the exposure clause all together from this tag and have it as it's own tag distinguishing from clearly being seen and not being seen):

Type: Activity / Visual
Sub-Type: Privacy

Description: Nudity or sexual activities with the risk of being seen by other individuals.
Gender: The gender of the one performing the exposed nude or sexual activities determines if the tag is placed in the female or male namespace.
Japanese: 露出症
Slave Tags: Female, Male - with notable synonyms flashing, nudism, outdoors and public.

There would be no need to re-tag exhibitionism either as all instances where someone is seen still count still count as exhibitionism, we're just adding two additional tags to make it more specific.

If there is no reply from Joe I'd suggest creating a new thread with the above definition. It may also attract others who are to lazy to check this 'long' thread.

I'm against breaking the exhibitionism tag in two.

I'd suggest proposing some specific fetish/tag requiring exhibitionism, as Red proposed time ago. Because so far can not see any benefit on dividing the actual definition (Unless there has been some related problems reported since the forced exhibitionism was activated).

Updated thread if people want to migrate the discussion
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