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post Apr 26 2016, 02:39
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When a character's body is being controlled, yet the character is still conscious and reacting to the situation. This usually takes two forms:
1. The character still has control over part of their body, usually the head, which allows them to react in a manner independent of the rest of the body
2. The character has no control over their body, but they are still fully conscious, trapped inside their body or in a third-person perspective, reacting to the experience/sensation of their body

Examples of Body Control
http://ehentaihip.com/g/122627/a4f25ca216/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/659454/e0fde6e149/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/699060/4809ba7de3/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/558529/e76dbe11ec/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/794977/b82e382107/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/176575/f36b8b89a2/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/488023/33568984ef/
http://ehentaihip.com/s/6d57f1dc70/871559-90

I can find more examples if needed.

In general, this is useful to clarify the relationship of other highly abstract tags by introducing a clarification on the characters mental/physical state. It is especially useful in the case of replacing/complementing a mind control/possession tag when the work features everything but the mind being altered/under control.

Personally, I find this particular scenario, which pops up with a few new instances every month or so, much more appealing than the traditional scenario of mind control, as it introduces a dimension of character conflict and reactions which is not usually portrayed.

EDIT: This would also be very useful for the Voodoo Doll/Puppet (操り人形)/アプリ comics, where this idea is frequently employed.

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post Apr 26 2016, 02:58
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post Apr 27 2016, 00:19
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Is this meant to be some manner of subcategory for possession? When would one apply without the other?

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post Apr 27 2016, 00:37
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Some of the examples you give are mind control and possession.

For body control to work properly it would have to be that the person still has the ability to think and speak oftheir own free will, while their body moves while being controlled by someone else. I would suggest finding examples of what I mentioned since you have galleries that are either possession or mind control. And a ghost possessing a body counts as possession.

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post Apr 27 2016, 02:32
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Nevermind, bad mistakes.

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post Apr 27 2016, 06:56
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QUOTE(scooter1171 @ Apr 26 2016, 17:37) *

Some of the examples you give are mind control and possession.

For body control to work properly it would have to be that the person still has the ability to think and speak oftheir own free will, while their body moves while being controlled by someone else. I would suggest finding examples of what I mentioned since you have galleries that are either possession or mind control. And a ghost possessing a body counts as possession.


I think these uploads from the original post meet your criteria:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/659454/e0fde6e149/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/488023/33568984ef/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/176575/f36b8b89a2/

And for further examples:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/172441/bdb8dfc0b2/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/727989/bbce79b669/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/495483/4e4069a0b0/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/889322/0ca94a3d26/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/815142/32a7f8b5b2/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/620901/485213d7f3/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/537795/ccd92128d9/
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post Apr 27 2016, 18:34
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QUOTE(scooter1171 @ Apr 26 2016, 23:37) *
For body control to work properly it would have to be that the person still has the ability to think and speak oftheir own free will, while their body moves while being controlled by someone else. I would suggest finding examples of what I mentioned since you have galleries that are either possession or mind control. And a ghost possessing a body counts as possession.
That also means that "possession" -"mind control" should find exactly what OP is looking for, right?

So, why isn't that good enough?


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post Apr 27 2016, 19:59
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Apr 27 2016, 18:34) *

That also means that "possession" -"mind control" should find exactly what OP is looking for, right?

So, why isn't that good enough?


Your guess is as good as mine. Only the OP can answer that question. But there is a difference between possession, mind control vs body control. Like I mentioned you can still have free thought and speaking abilities but can not move your body on your own since someone else controls it. Like in vodoo.


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post Apr 27 2016, 20:16
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It really does just sound like possession, possession doesn't mean that the victim is not aware of their situation, or is unable to voice their discomfort etc just that they have no control over their body during it, essentially they just become a passenger in their own body. Maybe I'm missing something but possession seems to already cover this.

Description: A victim has their body taken over by an external mind, effectively robbing them of their own will.

Specifically seems to relate to the body, as in, not their mind, so even if the victim cannot move their mouth etc, they still have their minds intact. As Scooter said, they still have free thought.

I think Penguins possession -mind control ought to cover the bases of 'everything but the mind being altered/under control.', again unless I'm missing something.

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post Apr 27 2016, 20:40
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Apologies, i tried to make a humorous post but it didn't turn out quite like that.

Now, in all seriousness:

The definition of possession includes "shall not be confused with mind control" (and vice-versa for the definition of mind control). Therefore a situation tagged with possession cannot involve any kind of mind control by definition, i.e.

possession === "possession" -"mind control" (although, unfortunately, that's far from true in several galleries)

And moreover, possession can be therefore be thought as:
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A character's body is controlled, and his mind is not being controlled

which turns out to be pretty similar to OP's definition:
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When a character's body is being controlled, yet the character is still conscious


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post Apr 27 2016, 21:23
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Apr 27 2016, 20:40) *

Apologies, i tried to make a humorous post but it didn't turn out quite like that.

Now, in all seriousness:

The definition of possession includes "shall not be confused with mind control" (and vice-versa for the definition of mind control). Therefore a situation tagged with possession cannot involve any kind of mind control by definition, i.e.

possession === "possession" -"mind control" (although, unfortunately, that's far from true in several galleries)

And moreover, possession can be therefore be thought as:

which turns out to be pretty similar to OP's definition:


So those two should be mutually exclusive i.e., vice versa is also true mind control === "mind control" -"possession"
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post Apr 27 2016, 21:35
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QUOTE(Simpleton8 @ Apr 27 2016, 20:23) *

So those two should be mutually exclusive i.e., vice versa is also true mind control === "mind control" -"possession"


Yes if tagged for the same situation, but bear in mind that a gallery could have both situations happening separately and qualify for both tags.

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post Apr 28 2016, 00:10
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Thanks. I searched with both tags + English. Here are all the ones on g.e & not excluded by my filters:


I think the following are just possession, not MC:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/18334/ad0fcf42b8/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/430947/4cda2ea614/

Progression from possession to MC:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/459078/c09f755db9/
http://ehentaihip.com/g/341731/c7f353084e/ (unsure)

More like body transfer/possession ?:
http://ehentaihip.com/g/614812/fcb1b67621/
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post Apr 28 2016, 01:36
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Apr 27 2016, 14:16) *

It really does just sound like possession



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post Apr 29 2016, 04:57
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After mulling it over, I think the majority is right in that my original definition is really just a distinction from an already functional tag system, especially in regards to simpleton8 and blue_penguin's posts. I won't pursue this tag anymore.

As a final question:
I notice there is no voodoo tag. If there is a work which revolves around the use of voodoo/人形, but does not feature mind control, would it be appropriate to tag it as possession?

The definition of possession is
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A victim has their body taken over by an external mind, effectively robbing them of their own will.

And this is essentially that, except the voodoo doll/puppet is a proxy between the external mind and the victim.

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post Apr 29 2016, 06:06
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Yeah, voodoo counts.


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