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post Sep 21 2019, 04:10
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Description: Participation of humanoid characters which have no identifiable name or are otherwise not taggable in the 'character' namespace.
Note:Does not apply to original galleries. Does not apply to animals or monsters.


I know, I know, this would be tagged on many galleries, but so what, give it few years. It is useful on two levels:
* as a fetish (some people want to see anons instead of canon characters, to some degree it is -vanilla pairing tag).
* technical (controlling for this and known named characters would make it easier to see galleries which need one of those tags; of course doesn't apply to galleries with multiply characters well, but that's true for most tags).

Humanoid is used to ensure people don't tag galleries with animals or monsters or such. Feel free to refine. Also, note to not add on monsters etc. is to avoid people arguing 'orcs may have names', etc.

"are otherwise not taggable in the 'character' namespace" is there to ensure people are not confused in cases some mostly anon protag gets an offhand name invented by the author, super rare cases but happens.

This may be better in character namespace instead of the usual fetish one...

Finally, remember it is not possible nor likely to be implemented to be be able to search for "galleries with character x but nobody else". This would at least partially address this lack of functionality.

Examples:
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1439138/052a657c1d/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1013503/6ef58f74c9/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1103956/50a749cae9/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1404175/5febd6b4bc/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1352662/47bcb2e124/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1365719/c575b83513/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1479149/c78f5caff3/
* http://ehentaihip.com/g/1486328/898a5e3e0f/

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Tag check Backlogs: expunge rename K+

Created tags you can blame me for: clamp (def, use), clone (def, use), closed eyes (def, use), dismantling (def, use), facial hair (def, use), fishnets (def, use), hair buns (def, use), headless (def, use), hood (def, use), horns (def, use), kemonomimi (def, use), missing cover (def, use), sarashi (def, use), sketch lines (def, use), soushuuhen (def, use), tail (def, use)

Tags significantly changed: filming (def, use), large tattoo (def, use), exhibitionism

Interesting tag proposals/revisions under discussion (please consider commenting): anon, below knee boots, calendar, clueless (aka naive), couple (two people having sex), eye-covering bang, hat, helmet, husband and wife (aka married couple, spouse), phone/camera scan, under knee high boots / below knee boots, watching

Tags I am thinking about proposing (be scared / PM me with comments/examples): butt plug, covered in cum, halo, high heels, metal bikini, mentally retarded, miniskirt, ribbon headband, samurai, self-sucking, socks, flora/vegetable insertion (please post examples here), veil

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post Sep 21 2019, 05:46
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post Sep 21 2019, 09:10
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QUOTE(Mags_ @ Sep 21 2019, 03:46) *

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Oh it's definetly crazy.

I'm not seeing any reason at all for this. Do we really want to create tags whose purpose is simply to tell us that a different tag might be missing.

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post Sep 21 2019, 09:30
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You're right, this is certainly a crazy idea, so obviously we don't need it.
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post Sep 21 2019, 18:31
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If you want something in the vein of p:original but for characters go poke Tenboro; such things are only viable via the autotagger.


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post Sep 21 2019, 18:53
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When I see anon, all I could think is a faceless male character.


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post Sep 21 2019, 19:18
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I like this idea. Not the name though, it also reminded me of faceless.

But I see the appeal in having a parody girl getting it on with some random nobody instead of a parody guy.

QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Sep 21 2019, 15:31) *
such things are only viable via the autotagger.
I don't see how a autotagger could do this.
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post Sep 21 2019, 19:28
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With the title, I thought OP was wanting to give this guy a tag: Attached Image

QUOTE(peterson123 @ Sep 21 2019, 17:18) *

I don't see how a autotagger could do this.


In the same way the parody autotagger (presumably) works, if it doesn't have a parody after x time, give it the parody:original tag. (it might not work this way, I haven't looked and just guessing tbh)

An example where that wouldn't work is the male is non canon and the female is, so you probably would want to tag it manually. The problem with tagging it manually that I can see though, is that you'd have to expect the tagger to know ALL of the characters in a given series. So, when you're reading a fate hentai, you'd have to know that the bloke or gal in question isn't one of the 500+ characters from that series.


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post Sep 22 2019, 03:50
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I do support the idea, always wanted to filter in/out characters with indiscernible or vague visual features along canon ones.
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post Sep 22 2019, 08:20
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QUOTE(Ubershank @ Sep 21 2019, 16:28) *
In the same way the parody autotagger (presumably) works, if it doesn't have a parody after x time, give it the parody:original tag. (it might not work this way, I haven't looked and just guessing tbh)

Think this through, it doesn't work for characters. If no character is tagged after x time, it most likely is parody:original and the tag doesn't apply OR the characters don't pass presence. The interesting case (canon character(s) x random people) cannot be filtered reliably.
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post Sep 22 2019, 14:40
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QUOTE(peterson123 @ Sep 22 2019, 14:20) *

Think this through, it doesn't work for characters. If no character is tagged after x time, it most likely is parody:original and the tag doesn't apply OR the characters don't pass presence. The interesting case (canon character(s) x random people) cannot be filtered reliably.


Well, on my to do list I have for example p:sayonara+zetsubou+sensei where as far as I can see nobody bothered to tag anyone, even through many pass presence. So no autotagger for this, there are too many possible errors.

This has to be a regular tag, probably for character namespace, that will slowly get populated on relevant galleries. It's not hard to tag, it's just is relatively common.

I mean, what I'd really like is a technical tag for 'tag this character', but that's not happening with the current system, sigh.


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Tag check Backlogs: expunge rename K+

Created tags you can blame me for: clamp (def, use), clone (def, use), closed eyes (def, use), dismantling (def, use), facial hair (def, use), fishnets (def, use), hair buns (def, use), headless (def, use), hood (def, use), horns (def, use), kemonomimi (def, use), missing cover (def, use), sarashi (def, use), sketch lines (def, use), soushuuhen (def, use), tail (def, use)

Tags significantly changed: filming (def, use), large tattoo (def, use), exhibitionism

Interesting tag proposals/revisions under discussion (please consider commenting): anon, below knee boots, calendar, clueless (aka naive), couple (two people having sex), eye-covering bang, hat, helmet, husband and wife (aka married couple, spouse), phone/camera scan, under knee high boots / below knee boots, watching

Tags I am thinking about proposing (be scared / PM me with comments/examples): butt plug, covered in cum, halo, high heels, metal bikini, mentally retarded, miniskirt, ribbon headband, samurai, self-sucking, socks, flora/vegetable insertion (please post examples here), veil

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post Sep 22 2019, 17:22
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QUOTE(peterson123 @ Sep 22 2019, 06:20) *

Think this through, it doesn't work for characters. If no character is tagged after x time, it most likely is parody:original and the tag doesn't apply OR the characters don't pass presence. The interesting case (canon character(s) x random people) cannot be filtered reliably.


If you read my post again, you'll find that I agreed with you, I was saying that an autotagger couldn't work (to fit in with OP's requirements, anyway)

QUOTE(Ubershank @ Sep 21 2019, 17:28) *

An example where that wouldn't work is the male is non canon and the female is, so you probably would want to tag it manually.


I also made an argument as to why tagging manually also wouldn't work. To be able to know that a character is an anon, without it being faceless, the tagger would have to know every character in the series, which makes it a problem for series with hundreds of characters (see fate, for example). I'm not saying it won't be obvious in most cases, most said characters will probably look generic/don't fit in with the style of the series, but you can't know for certain. Imagine every time it gets posted to upvote in the tagging and it's abuse board, having to go to the wiki of the series and checking every single character to double check.

I forgot to say it in my previous post, I'm not in support of this tag.

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post Sep 22 2019, 17:27
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QUOTE(Red_Piotrus @ Sep 22 2019, 07:40) *

what I'd really like is a technical tag for 'tag this character'

I would absolutely love a means to flag galleries that are missing tags (whether the tag already exists or not can be 2 separate flags) or are in need of a rename.

I should do a suggestion writeup...

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/User:Maximum_Joe/Su...allery_Flagging

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post Oct 2 2019, 09:02
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In theory, it is as easy as creating tags for those flagged ideas....


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Tag check Backlogs: expunge rename K+

Created tags you can blame me for: clamp (def, use), clone (def, use), closed eyes (def, use), dismantling (def, use), facial hair (def, use), fishnets (def, use), hair buns (def, use), headless (def, use), hood (def, use), horns (def, use), kemonomimi (def, use), missing cover (def, use), sarashi (def, use), sketch lines (def, use), soushuuhen (def, use), tail (def, use)

Tags significantly changed: filming (def, use), large tattoo (def, use), exhibitionism

Interesting tag proposals/revisions under discussion (please consider commenting): anon, below knee boots, calendar, clueless (aka naive), couple (two people having sex), eye-covering bang, hat, helmet, husband and wife (aka married couple, spouse), phone/camera scan, under knee high boots / below knee boots, watching

Tags I am thinking about proposing (be scared / PM me with comments/examples): butt plug, covered in cum, halo, high heels, metal bikini, mentally retarded, miniskirt, ribbon headband, samurai, self-sucking, socks, flora/vegetable insertion (please post examples here), veil

Play some games and rip them for the galleries

My scan commissions

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